What happens when faith communities quietly replace women’s leadership with unpaid, invisible labor? In this powerful Best of 2025 #1 top most downloaded episode of 2025 re-release, historian and bestselling author Dr. Beth Allison Barr (http://bethallisonbarr.com/) joins Lori Adams-Brown to unpack how the role of the “pastor’s wife” became a substitute for women’s ordination—and the deep harm that followed.
Drawing from her book Becoming the Pastor’s Wife, Beth combines rigorous historical research with lived experience to show how a once-fluid vision of women’s leadership in Christianity narrowed dramatically in the late 20th century. What emerges is a sobering picture: women expected to perform the equivalent of multiple full-time jobs for free, while being told their obedience—not their gifts—is God’s highest calling.
Together, Lori and Beth explore how this shift didn’t happen gradually, but almost overnight, during the Southern Baptist Convention’s fundamentalist takeover. They discuss the psychological toll on women, the myth of “biblical womanhood,” and how patriarchy often survives by recruiting women to enforce it.
This conversation isn’t just about church history—it’s about power, unpaid labor, identity, and what happens when women are asked to disappear for the sake of “peace.”
In this episode, we cover:
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How marriage replaced ordination as women’s path to ministry
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The myth of the “ideal” pastor’s wife and its emotional toll
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Why unpaid labor is framed as godliness—and why that’s harmful
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How women are pitted against one another inside patriarchal systems
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What it could look like for women to work together instead
Guest Bio:
Beth Allison Barr is a medieval historian, professor, and bestselling author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood. Her work bridges history, faith, and gender, helping readers recover the erased stories of women in Christianity.
Key Timestamps:
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00:05 – The forgotten legacy of Willie Dawson
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12:30 – Dorothy Patterson’s hats & the performance of submission
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19:40 – The “patriarchal bargain” explained
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24:15 – The emotional cost of being the ideal pastor’s wife
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27:40 – A vision for working together, not competing
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