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Welcome to the A World of Difference
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podcast. I'm Lori Adams Brown and this is
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a podcast for those who are different and
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want to make a difference. Today we have a
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musician on the show, a singer songwriter
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and a friend of mine, Shannan Copland is
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coming on the show. She's been releasing
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some new music lately and she is about to
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release a new song called Enough on April
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12. She's coming on the show today to talk
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about the this song, other songs she's
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going to be releasing out in the future
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and ones she's already released. Copland
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is an indie pop music artist based in
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Portland Oregon Born and raised here in
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California where I live she studied music
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at an early age with a love for piano and
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voice she involved herself in any musical
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opportunity that was afforded to her Her
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passion for songwriting ignited around age
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twelve and she's used it as an outlet to
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express her artistry ever since Over the
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years Shannon has worked with talented
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musicians vocalists and teachers from
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around the United States also in Portugal
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Norway Italy and more And she had the
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honor of being the only vocal student of
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norwegian pop celebrity train train and to
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this day train has been one of her most
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inspiring and influential mentors.Shannon
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is going to release her first debut single
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or already or released her first debut
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single it's like in March this year and
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once again a new one coming called Enough
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on April 12 which she has graciously
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allowed me to have a preview too And her
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song it's like that was released in March
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It's fun relatable inspiring love song
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with a catchy a that might take you back
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to I don't know the breakfast club for a
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second But her new one enough is about
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Just what it sounds like that you are
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enough.And it's just absolutely the
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message we want to amplify out to the
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world here on the oh world of difference
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podcast that you bring your voice to the
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table fully the who you are And this song
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is all about that So excited to welcome to
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the show to Shannan Copland.Hello Shannon
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It's so great to see you my friend up in
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Portland Welcome A very very warm welcome
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to the A world of difference podcast
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today.Thank you so much It's Thank
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privilege to get to be On this podcast
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with you Well it's so fun for me when I
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get to interview friends that I've known
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for years We met here in the Bay area but
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now you're up in Portland and we've
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visited each other.I've visited you with
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my family up there too which is so fun But
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today we're going to talk about you and I
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get to interview you, and learn all about
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the difference you're making in the world
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And I'm so excited to do that And my first
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sort of question for you right off the bat
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which I know but I'd love for my listeners
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To know more about you are kind.Of what
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are the places and cultures that have
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shaped you throughout your life That have
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made Shannon who your are Oh my gosh That
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is a loaded question Oh man.Well Shannon
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me Well I've been I've lived a lot of
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places like you have I grew up in the Bay
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Area in California but from there I lived
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on the east coast and then in college
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years and beginning of our marriage for a
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really good chunk of time we lived a We
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spent some time in Portugal and Italy and
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Canada and a lot of different places And
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my and a I really love traveling.I love
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traveling all my life And we love the
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perspective that we get from immersing
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ourselves in the cultures And learning
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their worldviews and heLoring people's
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Stories because I feel it feel like that
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really challenges our own thinking of what
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we think of ourselves and how we can
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achieve things too And so yeah we love
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traveling.So I've been a lot of places Yes
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you've lived a lot of cool places and
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traveled a lot of cool places I mean Italy
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is on a lot of people's destination of
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favorite places they've been or bucket
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list of places they want to go.Yeah
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exactly And you're a woman yourself and
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that Has really played into your music
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You're raising girls and you're sort of
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processing that through your lyrics which
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is so beautiful And I just kind of wanted
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to.Know because I know people listening
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whether They'Re a woman or a girl or A man
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or a young boy who struggled with people's
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expectations Did that ever play into your
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story of kind of trying to meet up to the
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expectations people had of you And sort of
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what did you struggle with around that Oh
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absolutely Yeah I grew up in a strong
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religious evangelical background and there
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are a lot of expectations a are put on us
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I mean even if you're not if You don't
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have religious background it could be in
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the workplace or your family or your
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school.But for me there were I had parents
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in leadership in the church world And so I
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grew up kind of like living in a glass box
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So everyone's eyes are on on me and my
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family a what we're doing And is
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everything that we do does that measure up
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to what this christian Or this person is
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supposed to be And there's a lot of
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pressure with that and it's hard
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especially when you're In your adolescent
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years and you're trying to figure out who
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you are and what your purpose is when
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you're being thrown all these different
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expectations And yeah it's hard to sort
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through that so It is Yeah.Lot to be said
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with that No my gosh there's like we could
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do a whole entire series on that. itself
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And I know whether people are listening
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from a christian background or from a
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muslim background or a jewish background
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or are currently in those religious
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environments a religious environment there
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a a lot of rules and expectations and we
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do have people listening that are in the
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evangelical community here in the US or
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abroad or listening the ex vangelical
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community as well And so some of those
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rules just feel kind of arbitrary Like
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where did they even get that And why are
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there so many And why are there more now
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than there were last year And you never
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feel like you quite measure up right It's
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like okay why does the goalpost keep
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moving You know But as a As a mom Yeah as
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a mom raising daughters like ooh the world
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is hard on women and girls We just
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finished women's history month and I don't
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know why we just get one month I mean we
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should at least get sex right now or like
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rbg.When they asked her about how many
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supreme court justices would we have in
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order for us to know we've reached
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equality And she's like when there are in
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right Because it's been tipped the other
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way for so long But as are mom you're
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really thinking of your daughters right as
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you're writing a lot of your music And so
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I guess like you know.What hope do you a
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for your potential You know future
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granddaughters or great granddaughters As
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they you know hear your lyrics What are
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you hoping they will come Out of it with
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Yeah I just As I was writing this song it
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started actually in a completely different
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direction I was just writing down the
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lyrics thinking through some things that
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were coming to my mind And it started more
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off as like A lament of reflection of the
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past.And just feeling bound by
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expectations and rules But But a lot of
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that is perspective too right Like how
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much of the rules that I believed in were
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actually put on me as opposed to what I
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believed.Was being put on me And so anyway
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the song was a Little bit kind of
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complaining reflective and I was like wait
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a second if I'm experiencing this I know
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so many other people are experiencing this
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too.And I know my girls will experience
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this So instead of complaining about it
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and lamenting about it I want to make This
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song something that they can do something
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with Like what do I want my girl singing
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When it comes to the pressures of.Feeling
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like you're enough or that you Are worth
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it and that you measure up And so that's
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really what birthed this song is The
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lyrics The chorus just really drives it
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home.And it repeats because we kind of
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need that We need that repetition feeding
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back into our soul like you're enough The
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world may think otherwise of you but it
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doesn't matter Their opinions do not
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change our worth And to stand in that
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worth.And so that's really that's really
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what I want my girls to be singing back
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It's like I am enough I am enough So good
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I mean there's what. least in the.US
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context I've seen some pretty interesting
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Research on what is shameful to men Versus
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women boys versus girls Actually Brene
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Brown does a lot of research around She's
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a shame researcher and talks shameful lot
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about vulnerability and you know typically
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very stereotypically and this is not
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everyone but generally speaking you have
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messages toward men a boys that the worst
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thing that could be the most shameful
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thing they could be is weak versus
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strong.And then for men and girls it's
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Often that you're not perfect You didn't
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follow every rule and do It every whatever
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your subculture looks like You know if
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you're in school it's education and if
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it's like you're in.A religious
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environment it's the religion and The
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rules of the religion Like you know how do
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you dress You know purity culture
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obviously plays a lot into this with
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Christianity but also with Islam and even
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with Judaism a bit And so you know as we
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think.About this and a makes that shame of
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not being perfect is something that Really
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we have to work as women And girls and we
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also need male allies to help us with this
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too Strong fathers that raise strong
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daughters and you know it's okay to fail
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and it's okay to make mistakes Did any of
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this help you find your own voice in the
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process And how does getting comfortable
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with your Own voice help you make
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mistakes. difference in this way Oh
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absolutely I think understanding that your
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value is not based on external things like
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someone's Opinions or the world's
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expectations.When you understand that
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you're worth it and that you are valuable
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then you like for me I felt liberated Like
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when I really like believe that Within my
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heart that okay my worth isn't depend on
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their opinions Forget them Like you feel
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liberated even to have weaknesses because
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those weaknesses aren't what define you
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either.And so that's just the profoundness
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of it And when you feel liberated to make
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Mistakes and to just be who you Are and to
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stand in that then you feel more liberated
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to make a difference in the world around
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you you just You have more happiness at
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least for me.I just have a lot more
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happiness Knowing that my worth isn't ping
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ponged By if I'm perfect enough or if I'm
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prettier enough or if I'm good enough at
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this or a Yeah Well I think in the music
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industry we've seen you know we've watched
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women rise.You know we recently have
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Beyonce coming out and changing the music
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industry around country music with cowboy
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Carter and we also saw a lot of the
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scrutiny around Taylor Swift once she
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started her rise toward becoming and
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billionaire Like the And you know both of
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those women and others in the music
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industry have really highlighted how women
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and girls do get scrutinized in toward
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different a because Of the. narratives
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were told and the Way the system has
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worked for so long and really silenced
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women in certain ways or tried to make
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them small.And I know art is one of The
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most beautiful ways to express those
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feelings in its vLorious forms music
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included But to write something so
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vulnerable and so difficult has a lot of
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internal and external barriers that you
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have to overcome As a singer songwriter
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what are some of the barriers that you've
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had to Overcome to write these songs Oh so
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many Like I have to feed this song Back to
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myself a Like almost every time I make a
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post on social media we're always
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wondering you know like oh is this picture
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I that to stupid Or is this caption okay
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okay I'm gonna run it through jet a GPT
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and figure out a better way to say this Or
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are my hashtags right Or like there are
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just so many Things that are fed to us
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constantly where I don't Don't know if
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you're.If you're good enough or not And so
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I constantly have to feed This song back
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to myself and be like okay don't worry
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about it Their opinions don't matter to
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see who You are because this is who I.Am
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and it's not going to change So just live
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your authentic self and forget the image
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management Yeah So yeah so good And I
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think that we long in.Our generation maybe
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even more so because of how much image
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management is out there both in religious
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contexts as well as you know government
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and business and Even the music industry
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or you know just your average you know
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1213 year old girl looking at Snapchat or
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whatever And in herself to every other
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girl In the world not just her class You
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know there was a time when I was growing
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up in the eighties.And nineties where you
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just compared yourself To the 15 other
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kids in your class you know which in
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Venezuela was a high bar I'm just going to
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say one of my classmates it was Miss
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Venezuela and she's gorgeous you know but
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yeah but now it's just it's so much
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pressure And we're seeing major a health
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issues that are causing all of us concern
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Right.Because of it But you know when we
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think about The different cultures of the
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world the standards of beauty or the rules
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for women and girls are different in every
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culture So was there anything about your
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experience abroad maybe in Italy or
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anywhere else that sort of shed a light
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for you and relativized some of this as
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you were finding your own voice and kind
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of figuring out how your own Light was
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going to shine Oh there were some moments
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when we lived in Italy where I definitely
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had a few aha Moments that were they shed
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light on the perspective and the beliefs
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of how I was raised and how I grew up and
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they kind of changed the Way I think about
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them now So for example growing up they
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way that I did the topic of modesty is
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very different.And in Italy there is a
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different Kind of I don't know this is how
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I experienced it as myself But they view
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modesty differently And in America there's
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extreme pressures of oh cover is up or
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don't cover it up It depends on you know
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where you.Grew up and all that But I guess
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what I'm trying to Say is modesty is one
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of there's One of the perspectives that
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changed And I saw women who were
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confident.In themselves and not shamed not
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body Shamed like we we tend to do And that
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was really special to me because.I don't
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know physical appearance is Something that
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is that the forefront I think a lot of
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times of beliefs About yourself and
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measuring up and things because it's
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external and it's what people see And so
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feeling in Italy like with That change of
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perspective oh you know at It really kind
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of doesn't matter as much as I think it
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does People really don't care as much as
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we think they do about how much Skin
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you're showing or how much skin you're not
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showing it really doesn't affect People
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kind the same way Your culture also the
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way you're brought up with your culture
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makes a difference in that also.So that's
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one example No it's great I think that's a
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common example because When it comes to
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things like modesty Or we mentioned
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earlier purity culture that some people
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were raised in which you.Know is a a
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conversation in the Evangelical community
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or evangelical community here in the
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United States it also has because. lot of
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different nuance even in the US depending
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mentioned whether you're white evangelical
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Or black evangelical or latino or asian
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American all those different communities
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view that differently.And then you know I
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think for Both of us our experiences are
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on The world of what it meant to be modest
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Generally speaking in that country or with
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the subcultures of the different religions
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I probably couldn't have lived in more
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extreme places I grew up think Venezuela
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which is very like even the christian
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community I grew up in like they were
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being modest for.And I use the or modesty
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about clothing Modesty also you know and
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certain nuances Of the word could be how
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much you flaunt your money So that's
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another element that's also not always
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brought into it and seems to be more of
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the origins at least in terms of how the
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scriptures and kind of impact that But
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like the I lived under shLoria law in
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Sumatra where I had to wear a hijab and
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couldn't have nail polish.And you know all
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of that is wild You know there was no even
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physical contact between men and women You
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know if you had to greet someone as sharia
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woman you could shake Her hand but as a
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man to a woman's you know you often
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wouldn't even touch hands And even with my
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own husband in public right So what's
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considered modest even within certain
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religions has nuance even within Islam or
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a Judaism all over the world And so it
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makes that moving a if you moving
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countries extremely difficult because like
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well here it's not like that And like
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you're showing your hair here and you're
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not showing your hair here And so it makes
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so much It can be kind of victim blaming
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for women.Like well you were asking for it
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if you did this type of thing And so all
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the more reason we Need songs we need
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songwriters like you We need artists to
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help us express these deep feelings that
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have been embodied for so many women. and
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girls where you can just see women
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carrying it almost physically in
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themselves So as you were writing this you
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know sort of just.You described a little
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bit of your process for writing the song
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enough But I know you have other so That
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have recently come out It's like in other
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ones And so how does enough fit into.The
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larger narrative or themes of you music in
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general I think enough is one of the Main
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anthems of my music.I love encouraging
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people I love inspiring them I love it
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when people achieve their goals and they
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try really hard for something But I also
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am a really deep thinker Can sometimes be
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an in but I a deep thinker.I really like
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reflection and self reflection And so a
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lot of my songs are along those themes of
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it I just want my listeners to be inspired
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encouraged or to really challenge their
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Thinking on a topics or maybe present A
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perspective of a particular topic they may
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not have thought about.So I have a few
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songs coming out that are I'm really
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excited about One of them has a really fun
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beat I'm gonna release that in the
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summertime And there are other on that are
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super reflective like for mother's Day I'm
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gonna be releasing.Sing may song around
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then and it will probably a most moms
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coming a puddle of tears Okay get your
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kleenexes ready everybody As I wrote that
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one I'm couldn't Oh my gosh I couldn't
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stop crying.And I just actually got it
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back from my producer yesterday and I'm
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was just releasing. tears a I let my
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daughter my older daughter listen to it
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and she was in tears. too and so touching
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So um So a lot of emotional songs coming
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Too but enough is for me it's The one that
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I'm most proud of.Right now because it's
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It's kind of like that in anthem Like I
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want There aren't a lot of songs out there
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that That kind of feed into your so
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necessLorily that are.That are empowering
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that are encouraging And I want people to
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after they hear this song just to feel
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liberated And feel that they're worthy and
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that They can just go out and face
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Whatever challenges they have a in their
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own skin and be confident kind that.No
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it's so true I agree I got to this point
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in my life after having worked in a toxic
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work environment and sort of walking
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through that in therapy over they're last
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three years or so That year I have
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playlists on Spotify One's called hype
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woman ones like women's empowerment.I mean
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it's in of like I Just sometimes on my
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commute to work Here point Silicon Valley
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it's like I Just need to remind myself
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that you know I'm enough Women around me
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are enough and women.Supporting women is
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one of my favorite things And I on know I
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just I heard recently Michelle Obama has
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There was this video where she was Talking
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about um women and just the.Sisterhood and
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she's like we don't have room for mean
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girls Like we don't have the luxury of
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TeLoring each other down because so much
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tears women and girls down We We need to
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support one another.And I so grateful in
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my network Of women that so many of them
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Support each other both in the podcasting
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industry and professionally and business
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and tech Where I work and you know other
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Ways I find it such a fulfilling space
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because the world does want to tear us
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down.And so songs like that are so
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important So if you're getting added to my
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hype woman playlist just.That's right Just
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fair warning it's each explicit playlist
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There are some songs in there that will
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raise your eyebrows and maybe aren't for
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the little ones but that's right Some a
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you just need it to be you know tear
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little more explicit and it's just me in
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the car so you know we're good But I would
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love to know are there specific musicians
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or artists a have influenced your style or
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your approach to songwriting particularly
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You know for this song Enough I wouldn't
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necessLorily say for this particular song
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that I That I wasn't trying to shape it
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After any particular artist style but
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I.Would say that my My sound in general in
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the past people have said that like
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vocally I Have similLorities to Carrie Jo
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and she has She has a very soft voice but
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there's just that it packs a punch in her
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choruses and stuff And song that lot of my
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songs have big choruses and have any lot
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of soft elements just like her.I love her
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She's She's great but also different
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powerful emphasis moments like Celine Dion
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I can't even sing like her but I love her
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She amazing.She a some really fun songs
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and she's lived it packs a legacy so I
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look up to her a lot So yeah they're
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Celine Dion and then I have a rock side
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soft elements that I really love And this
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song enough has more of a pop rock vibe It
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has more of like a really driving beat to
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it that really helps emphasize the message
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I think.And maybe that probably comes from
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how much I listen to maroon five and
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Coldplay and other artists like them So
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00:25:48,904 --> 00:25:52,696
I'm a huge Coldplay fan But a I love it
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00:25:52,696 --> 00:25:55,784
Now that you're mentioning all those I
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00:25:55,784 --> 00:25:59,620
hear those in your music a I'm excited to
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00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:02,044
have been able to be one of the people
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00:26:02,044 --> 00:26:05,076
that got in advance listen to this song
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00:26:05,076 --> 00:26:08,964
enough which was just beautiful.I sat on
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the couch and heard It and I was just like
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00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:17,332
feeling It and just so grateful that you
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00:26:17,332 --> 00:26:22,856
wrote this I think it's going to really
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00:26:22,856 --> 00:26:24,664
speak to a lot of people So if you don't
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00:26:24,664 --> 00:26:27,776
mind could we have a little bit of able
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play Sure Let's see if this works I'll
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00:26:28,952 --> 00:26:31,168
give you all a quick little teaser and
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I'll start in here Fear will pull you down
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and fear will mute yourself don't let it
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00:26:35,744 --> 00:26:37,512
make you believe who you are is not enough
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00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:38,848
down.Love it brings tears to my eyes just
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00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:41,800
a we've known each other oh yeah that's
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00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,124
true It's a great song for the treadmill a
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00:26:44,124 --> 00:26:48,860
I'll add it to my workout playlist too
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00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:52,544
Well as we're finishing up here thank you
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00:26:52,544 --> 00:26:57,944
for this in been amazing I know you
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00:26:57,944 --> 00:27:27,304
probably have listeners and fans like in
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00:27:27,304 --> 00:27:30,752
Italy Do you want to say anything to them
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00:27:30,752 --> 00:27:42,596
or anyone else listening in any language
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00:27:42,596 --> 00:27:44,740
whatever your choice.There's an airplay
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00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:47,932
App for team mobile.Yeah you guys my
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00:27:47,932 --> 00:27:49,664
italian friends they can listen to my
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00:27:49,664 --> 00:27:53,044
songs also through The Tin mobile app but
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00:27:53,044 --> 00:27:58,140
there's also Spotify and I know they use
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00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,716
that too So yeah Excited for this song to
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00:28:00,716 --> 00:28:03,788
be out in the world and everybody share it
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00:28:03,788 --> 00:28:05,964
with all the people you know so we can get
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00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:08,604
this out there.Yeah Let people know how
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00:28:08,604 --> 00:28:29,834
they can share It and how they can find
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00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:33,058
you Oh yeah So I have a website.It's
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00:28:33,058 --> 00:28:35,914
Shannan Copland.com But you can also find
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00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:38,562
me on Instagram and all the different
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00:28:38,562 --> 00:28:39,490
social platforms at Shannon Coplinmusic
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00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:43,170
And pay attention to the spelling because
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00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:43,946
my mom decided to write my name
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00:28:43,946 --> 00:28:45,282
differently Shannan And enough comes out
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00:28:45,282 --> 00:28:47,794
on April 12 That's when it gets released
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00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:50,170
and goes live But for anyone who signs up
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00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:51,298
through my website for my newsletter they
580
00:28:51,298 --> 00:28:55,202
get to get yeah. sneak peek and listen to
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00:28:55,202 --> 00:28:58,754
it Shannon lot sooner So if anyone wants
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00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:02,074
to hear it sooner they can sign up and
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00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:06,042
I'll Get it to them sooner Thank you.Yes
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00:29:06,042 --> 00:29:09,540
And it's a birthday present for me because
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00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:18,036
April 12 is my birthday so But I got my
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00:29:18,036 --> 00:29:20,764
birthday present early from you so I got
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00:29:20,764 --> 00:29:23,076
an advance sneak peek on the song Well
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00:29:23,076 --> 00:29:25,564
thank you so much for being on the show
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00:29:25,564 --> 00:29:27,212
for making such a difference and bringing
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00:29:27,212 --> 00:29:29,796
your beautiful differences of songwriting
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00:29:29,796 --> 00:29:31,468
and your experiences that have formed Who
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00:29:31,468 --> 00:29:34,434
you are to make a difference for so
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00:29:34,434 --> 00:29:37,550
many.And I know that it's also been
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00:29:37,550 --> 00:29:38,598
birthday transformational journey for you
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00:29:38,598 --> 00:29:40,974
And I think that's the best way to make a
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00:29:40,974 --> 00:29:44,782
difference in the world is to bring our
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00:29:44,782 --> 00:29:47,246
own narratives and our own story Like you
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00:29:47,246 --> 00:29:49,102
said there's so much pressure to fit into
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00:29:49,102 --> 00:29:53,966
a box that we a you to be your And just
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00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:58,246
the transformation you've gone through to
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00:29:58,246 --> 00:30:01,474
be yourself it speaks volumes And I just
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00:30:01,474 --> 00:30:03,838
appreciate you both as.A friend and as an
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00:30:03,838 --> 00:30:06,182
artist that I'm enjoying your music and
604
00:30:06,182 --> 00:30:08,406
all the things So thank you so much
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00:30:08,406 --> 00:30:09,694
Shannon for being on today Thank you Lori
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00:30:09,694 --> 00:30:12,470
Thank you so much So we're going to have
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00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:14,422
you hang out again for our Patreon
608
00:30:14,422 --> 00:30:15,718
difference maker community where we'll go
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00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:17,990
a little bit.Deeper with you there but we
610
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,262
will Say goodbye to everyone Bye to
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00:30:20,262 --> 00:30:23,862
everyone in Italy Ciao and thank you for
612
00:30:23,862 --> 00:30:25,046
listening Thanks everyone.Well did you
613
00:30:25,046 --> 00:30:27,062
feel the vibe that Was coming across that
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00:30:27,062 --> 00:30:29,246
I felt as we were recording this I hope
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00:30:29,246 --> 00:30:30,974
that you did Shannon is just Thank very
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00:30:30,974 --> 00:30:33,462
authentic vulnerable Person who is fully
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00:30:33,462 --> 00:30:34,758
embracing who she.Is at this stage of her
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00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:38,342
life And asking us to consider doing the
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00:30:38,342 --> 00:30:39,286
Same for ourselves for everyone else
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00:30:39,286 --> 00:30:42,222
around us so that we can bring our
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differences fully to the table and speak
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00:30:44,934 --> 00:30:51,354
with our own voices And even if we you
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00:30:51,354 --> 00:30:55,606
know fumble Through it I know one of RBG's
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00:30:55,606 --> 00:30:57,886
great quotes that she left behind for all
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00:30:57,886 --> 00:31:02,028
of us is to just you know a even when our
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00:31:02,028 --> 00:31:06,256
voice shakes.You know we may not get it
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00:31:06,256 --> 00:31:09,000
right We may make mistakes along the way
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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,056
It doesn't have to be perfect But as we
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00:31:13,056 --> 00:31:15,960
bring ourselves to the world we are can
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00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,168
very unique person And there's only one of
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00:31:19,168 --> 00:31:23,296
us.I'm a mom of twins They were born six
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00:31:23,296 --> 00:31:24,808
minutes apart And they are exact opposites
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00:31:24,808 --> 00:31:28,296
in so many ways Born in the same family
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00:31:28,296 --> 00:31:30,288
same languages same country same culture
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00:31:30,288 --> 00:31:31,816
same family You are unique.Even if you
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00:31:31,816 --> 00:31:33,596
have shakes. twin You are special
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00:31:33,596 --> 00:31:35,188
different and bring something To the table
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00:31:35,188 --> 00:31:37,284
that we want to hear And that is what
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00:31:37,284 --> 00:31:40,564
Shannon is trying To remind us of her song
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00:31:40,564 --> 00:31:44,356
enough is a wait for you to listen to it
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00:31:44,356 --> 00:31:46,492
Go on to Spotify or wherever you get your
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00:31:46,492 --> 00:31:49,420
music and be one of they first to get
643
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:52,764
access to this song today On April 12 On
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00:31:52,764 --> 00:31:55,916
April 10 as this is releasing But it will
645
00:31:55,916 --> 00:31:58,316
fully release into the world on April 12
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00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:01,612
But you could sign up for it early so you
647
00:32:01,612 --> 00:32:04,890
can be one of the first to get it Share it
648
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:06,810
with your friends This is a song, that
649
00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:08,930
really embodies all of the things that we
650
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:12,386
see in Shannon's life as she shows us What
651
00:32:12,386 --> 00:32:14,994
that looks like and lives it Out herself
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00:32:14,994 --> 00:32:17,174
and really thought about her.Girls as she
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00:32:17,174 --> 00:32:20,530
was writing it And whether you're a girl a
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00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:22,442
woman releasing. boy a man whoever you are
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00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:23,818
whatever language you speak if English is
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00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,042
your second language and you're Italian
657
00:32:25,042 --> 00:32:26,266
and you one of those and her community of
658
00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:28,770
listeners out there who speak Italian and
659
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:32,726
are cheering her song all the Way from
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00:32:32,726 --> 00:32:35,174
Italy are her friends in Portugal or
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00:32:35,174 --> 00:32:37,390
Norway or wherever you are listening to
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00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:40,630
this up in and where you're keeping it
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00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:43,046
weird wherever you are I hope that this
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00:32:43,046 --> 00:32:45,990
message has been an inspiring one for you
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00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:49,014
a from a own voice speaking to you and
666
00:32:49,014 --> 00:32:50,846
getting to hear speak, little bit of that
667
00:32:50,846 --> 00:32:52,662
song she's releasing out into the world in
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00:32:52,662 --> 00:32:55,750
just a couple of days on Friday April 12
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00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:57,350
my birthday.Such Italian special treat for
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00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,866
me to Be able to release this and
671
00:32:59,866 --> 00:33:01,874
celebrate her and amplify her voice out
672
00:33:01,874 --> 00:33:04,706
into The world as a way to let You know
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00:33:04,706 --> 00:33:08,370
that she's a voice you want to listen to
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00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:10,170
and that she Is putting heart and soul
675
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:13,226
into her lyrics and that you're going to
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00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:14,250
hear some other things she's releasing out
677
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,546
on Mother's Day out a fun song in the
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00:33:16,546 --> 00:33:18,218
summer.And just as she's a deep thinker
679
00:33:18,218 --> 00:33:21,770
and I can attest to that and somebody who
680
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:23,346
cares deeply as well you want voices like
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00:33:23,346 --> 00:33:27,498
Shannon's in your ear and your earbuds and
682
00:33:27,498 --> 00:33:29,850
your headphones and on your car a or
683
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:32,114
wherever you're listening to this on a
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00:33:32,114 --> 00:33:33,834
train somewhere on a subway riding your
685
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:36,074
bike somewhere doing the dishes at home
686
00:33:36,074 --> 00:33:39,498
whatever it is that your situation is
687
00:33:39,498 --> 00:33:41,466
right now as you're heLoring this podcast
688
00:33:41,466 --> 00:33:44,138
you want to put Shannon on your playlist
689
00:33:44,138 --> 00:33:46,594
because she's the kind of person that will
690
00:33:46,594 --> 00:33:48,874
continue to inspire you to be yourself And
691
00:33:48,874 --> 00:33:52,040
we need more of those voices speaking that
692
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040
into our lives don't we To remind us an
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00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520
anthem that your are enough No matter what
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00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,528
has happened before this Moment you are
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00:33:59,528 --> 00:34:02,896
enough.And you are worthy and you deserve
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00:34:02,896 --> 00:34:05,564
human dignity and respect And I hope at
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00:34:05,564 --> 00:34:08,960
you're also showing That to others and
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00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,752
that this song will inspire you to do so
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00:34:11,752 --> 00:34:13,992
as all of you are out there making a
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00:34:13,992 --> 00:34:15,120
difference kind the world and bringing
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00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,856
your differences to the table Shannon is
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00:34:16,856 --> 00:34:18,312
making such a difference and She is
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00:34:18,312 --> 00:34:20,096
speaking friend of many around.The world
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00:34:20,096 --> 00:34:22,776
who have made a difference in her life and
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00:34:22,776 --> 00:34:25,528
that she's made what difference in their
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00:34:25,528 --> 00:34:28,376
lives And she certainly made a difference
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00:34:28,376 --> 00:34:31,256
in mine My friend Shannon so glad to bring
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00:34:31,256 --> 00:34:33,456
Her voice to this podcast today So once
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00:34:33,456 --> 00:34:35,008
again follow her share her music with
710
00:34:35,008 --> 00:34:36,232
others and share this so for those who
711
00:34:36,232 --> 00:34:37,472
need to be inspired.And to remember that
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00:34:37,472 --> 00:34:39,584
you are enough wherever you are And I just
713
00:34:39,584 --> 00:34:41,720
continue to share this message with you
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00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:45,136
because I know a the world is against us
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00:34:45,136 --> 00:34:47,704
wants to bring our voices down and wants
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00:34:47,704 --> 00:34:49,680
to crush us or make us small or put us in
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00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,172
a box like if you saw the Barbie movie
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00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:53,388
where these little handcuffs start to
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00:34:53,388 --> 00:34:56,356
appear around her hands and they start to
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00:34:56,356 --> 00:34:59,228
trap her, in this box And I don't want any
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00:34:59,228 --> 00:35:02,940
of us to do that to each other or to allow
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00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,916
others to do that to us So it's very
723
00:35:05,916 --> 00:35:07,740
liberating when you just own your own
724
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:10,412
voice and let your light shine and bring
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00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:12,212
your uniqueness into the world And it
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00:35:12,212 --> 00:35:13,836
makes our world a better place.There's
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00:35:13,836 --> 00:35:15,476
only one you and we want You to keep being
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00:35:15,476 --> 00:35:17,398
you And so yeah that's Barbie way you Can
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00:35:17,398 --> 00:35:19,394
make handcuffs difference It's just by
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being yourself.So keep making start
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